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Prilog izucavanju porekla
arnautista
2014-02-15 07:48 PM
Je li bre, nisam samo ja ovde kilav da ne mogu da otvorim profil!?
Avaj, ako koristite provajdera emaila, kao ja, teško ćete da skontate sto nikako nema registracije „Teslio”, jer se pakuje među spamove. Sad, srećom pa tokom otvaranja novog naloga, ja prvo uklonim vidljivost tog foldera...Svasta sam u njemu nasao!

I da, red je da se predstavim. Ja sam Arn-autista koji je odlucio da ostavi ovde neki prilog na ovu temu, kad stignem. A posto imam sarolika interesovanja, nije iskljuceno da se ukljucim i u neke druge teme. Inače sam veoma liberalan po opredeljenju (ali, ne toliko da gotivim isti pol!). Volim sve sto vole mladi. Od filmova volim (i po tome sam prepoznatljiv među svojim prijateljima i poznanicima), recimo, Star Wors filmove, posto ovde primetih nick Darth Vadera (no, nemam sličan način ophodjenja prema ljudima, a još manje koristim turcizme tipa aman; rekao bih da mi onda poreklo nije odatle;).
A što se tiče mjuze, recimo, sve sto je pozitivno (premda, ne bas rok bendove starije generacije tipa AC/DC, i slično... :D).
Elem, trenutno slusam jednu humoristicnu stvar, pa ću vam je podeliti za dobrodoslicu. Ovaj disko fazon sa po meni „gej pokretima” je tako kul, da ih trenutno skidam; imam puno drugarica sa sličnim humorom, kao sto je moj, pa se blamiramo svakom pogodnom prilikom!! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVkU8dDSC9w

Pozdrav dobri ljudi!!!
arnautista
2014-02-15 08:29 PM
THE CIRCASSIANS, THE ALBANIANS (SHQIPTARS) AND THE BULGARIANS OF VOLGA BULGHAR

The subject of this paper is to introduce, analyse and assess the significance of three medieval ‘Yemenite’ stories, both oral and literary, which have been borrowed and adapted to explain the origin of three Muslim peoples in medieval and post-medieval Eastern Europe; the Circassians, the Albanians (Shqiptars, or Arna’uts) around the city of Elbasan, and the Muslim inhabitants of the city of Bulghar, near Kazan, on the Volga.

The Yemenites, who are introduced, vary in two respects. One tribal group were said to have been the Ghassanids, who allegedly emigrated to the area of Golan, in Syria, following the destruction of the Ma’rib dam, in the Yemen. The other tribal group- the Volga Bulgarianssucceeded the pagan ‘Adites, who were mentioned in the Qur’an and who were unbelievers, and a people who were to be replaced by believing Yemenites.
The stories are essentially adapted from the Arabian tradition. Arab blood is a mark of honour and esteem. However, in at least two of the stories, the Quraysh are central to the claim, thus introducing the Prophetic household, and the Quraysh, into the proud lineage, the nasab and the hasab, of diverse indigenous non-Arab peoples of Eastern Europe.

Before presenting my examples, I should like to draw attention to a pioneering article by my Syro-Albanian friend and colleague, Dr Muhammad Mufaku al-Arna’ut, who teaches in Al al-Bayt University, al- Mafraq, Jordan.

He entitled his article ‘The Arab origin of some of the Muslim peoples in Europe – history, myth, fantasy and policy, the Circassians’(al-Usul al-‘Arabiyya li-ba‘d al-Shu‘ub al-Muslima fi Urubba – al-Ta’rikh – al-Khayal – al-Siyasa, al-Sharakisa). His article was published in the academic journal al-Manarah and it was issued by his University in Jordan, vol 2, issue 1, Dhu’l-Qa‘da, 1417 AH/1997 AD, pp 65-82. Jordan has a substantial Circassian community and so this enabled Dr Mufaku to obtain first hand comment and information from his Circassian colleagues and friends. I shall draw attention to his article later in my conclusion.

THE SOURCES OF ARABIAN FOLK TALES IN THE BELIEFS AND THE IDENTITIES OF THREE MUSLIM PEOPLES IN EASTERN EUROPE
Forum Bosnae (39/2007)
Norris, Harry Thirlwall
arnautista
2014-02-15 08:32 PM
Muslim heroes of the Bulgars, Tatars, Albanians and Bosnians
two legendary reports explaining the Arabian origin of the Albanians. He wrote:

Mention of the raid to the land of the Serbs, Bosnia and the Arnauts

In 863 (1458/9), he turned towards the land of the Serbs and made conquests there.
In 866 [1461/2] he conquered the region of Trebizond and Sinope and brought its master captive to Constantinople. Sultln Muhammad killed him. He had eight sons and (the Sultan) killed them (also).
The lord of Sinope was in correspondence with the king of the Persians and assisted him against Sultan Muhammad.
In the year 867 (1462/3) (the Sultan) turned afresh to complete his possession of the province of Bosnia and launched raids on the provinces of the Aftaq (Wallachians or Vlachs), the Bughdan (Moldavians) and the Saqaliba.

Then he directed his resolution towards the conquest of the country of the Albanians (Arnaut).
They are a race of Christians who possess a fortitude to withstand trials and tribulations.
They take upon themselves hard labours.
It is said that by origin they are from the Arabs of Syria, from the Banu Ghassan.
They emigrated from Syria after Allah had brought (the revelation of) al-Islam.
They came from Syria and settled in this country.
It is also said that by origin they are from the Berbers.
They crossed the sea from the Maghrib in this direction.
Then ignorance overcame them and they became Christians.

The story of the exile of the Banu Ghassan in Albania makes a pair with the account of al-SafadT, source of the story of the Circassians origin from Quraysh.
It is significant that Albania and Spain are mentioned together.
The reference to the Berbers, on the other hand, in the reports of Berber settlement among the Roman armies in the Balkans in ancient times, or else in some kind of way has come to be associated with the story of Arabs from Sicily or 'Black Arabs' in the area of Greece, Albania and parts of Yugoslavia.
In either case, be it the Ghassanids or the Berbers, some allusion to population transfer and the settlement of mercenaries appears in the web of the narrative, however fancifully the tale is expressed.

An alleged kinship between the Albanians and some Caucasians on the one hand and the Banu Ghassan on the other seems to be a variant.
arnautista
2014-02-15 08:45 PM
The Byzantine sources indicate that the Christianized Arab tribe Banu Ghassan led by Jabal bin al-Ayhan called Arna'ut, fled from Syria during Muslim al- futuhat and received from the emperor Constantine II a fief in Macedonia.

During the reign of Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid, even the serious Muslim scholars believed that the Arnauts of Albania are Arab Ghassanids from Syria or the Berbers from Afrikiyya who „being blinded by the Jahiliyya (pre-Islamic ignorance) became Nasara (Christians). They crossed the Mediterranean Sea and settled down in the land of Rum.”

Like the medieval Christian humanists who identified the Turks with the ancient mythical „Teucros” described by Homer, or the Muslims with the ancient „Musulami”(the warlike people of African Numidia), the Muslim writers of the classic ages of Islam tried to 'Arabize' origin of many peoples with the mythical nations known to them from the pre-Islamic Arab legends.
For example, the medieval Arabs believed that the Caucassian peoples are descendants of Banu Kureish, and the Nordic Sakaliba (Slavs), as well as the Turkic Bashgurd (Bashkirs) and Bulgars were descendants of the giant Yemenites of Ad.

arnautista
2014-02-15 08:57 PM
Možda genetska analiza ukazuje ispravnije.

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/n1/full/ejhg2008120a.html

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content /24/6/1300.full.pdf+html

Sickle cell anemia

SICKLE CELL ANEMIA IS TRANSMITTED GENETICALLY, FROM PARENT TO CHILD -SICKLE CELL SUFFERERS EXIST IN LANDS WHERE BLACK INFLUENCE HAS BEEN FELT

„Sickle cell anemia is caused by an error in the gene that tells the body how to make hemoglobin. The defective gene tells the body to make the abnormal hemoglobin that results in deformed red blood cells.”

Sickle cell anemia is genetic. It can only be transmitted through direct genetic inheritance.

„Children who inherit copies of the defective gene from both parents will have sickle cell anemia.

Children who inherit the defective sickle hemoglobin gene from only one parent will not have the disease, but will carry the sickle cell trait. Individuals with sickle cell trait generally have no symptoms, but they can pass the sickle hemoglobin gene on to their children.”

„Sickle cell anemia is common among people whose ancestors come from sub-Saharan Africa; Spanish-speaking regions (South America, Cuba, Central America); Saudi Arabia; India; and Mediterranean countries, such as Albania,Turkey, Greece, and Italy.”
Varuna
(novinar)
2014-02-17 05:29 PM
Nedostaje samo „pozdrav iz Kragujevca”.
trag
(xy)
2014-02-18 02:29 AM
Još jedna zabluda, ustvari dve.

Profil nije „tulkas”, već...nova licna karta starog diskutanta/. Udara direktno, i providno.
Drugo, aman nije turcizam, a turci su surogat star stotinak godina, kao i njihov jezik. Romeji primivsi islam postaju osmanlije, i tek od skoro se nazivaju turcima.
Ako nije tako gde se denuse toliki Romeji ustupivsi mesto, teritoriju, osmanlijama, i oklen su bre te osmanlije dosle?
Osim toga, Romejski jezik ne postoji, nije ni postojao nikada, a osmanlije dok ne sklepase neki svoj govorili su Srpski, a „elita” i Francuski.
Za 100 godina koristeci naše izvorne reci pisaćemo da su one kurvatskog, bosnjackog ili crnogorskog porekla.
Sve nam je tudje, a njima sve naše njihovo, pa smo zato stigli tu gde jesmo.
Prijatan dan vam želim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSr4rlevnK8

Tabanac
(DR.voseca)
2014-02-18 09:45 AM
„arnautist”...perpara,kam nji pytje,pse ki erdhe ktu,per provokimi
ose drjet me punu ne baze,histori e Shiptarve,mendojme,pergjishme.
Te lutem,pergjegje ne pytje.
(„arnautist”...najpre,imam jedno pitanje,sto si ovde,da bi provocirao
ili na ispravnom radu na osnovi,istorije Albanaca,mislim,uopsteno.
Molim te,odgovori na pitanje.)
Verujem da je „arnautist”,samo bleda senka jednog provokatora,koja bi
sledila put prvog svetskog arnautiste,tj.albanologa.Albanolog je samo
savremeniji izraz,produkt XX veka,od starijeg,arnatuist.Prvi,albanolog
je covek koji je sakupljao,reci,istoriju i stvarao samosvest,nacije
koja je trebala biti rođena a kasnije još u povoju.To je Milan Sufflay,
kako prvi albanolog,poznat je i kao prvi hrvatski pisac SF romana.Sara-
dnik ustaške emigracije i sledbenik frankove teorije(frankista-fasista)
Ne bih vise o ovom albanologu,jer ima dovoljno informacija o njemu,na
googlu,potrazite,ukoliko vas interesuje.
Samo dve crtice,osuđen za veleizdaju,na sudjenju mu je bio branilac
Dr.Ante Pavelic...koga vi Srbi,ste upoznali na najgori način u istoriji.
Druga,ubijen je od clanova „Mlada Jugoslavija”...demarsh i kritiku
Kraljevini Jugoslavije,uputili su i jedan Tomas M. i jedan,necete mi
verovati Albert Einstein-Ajnstajn.
Toliko za „arnautistu”-autistu...

PS.
Možda će vas,vas Srbe boleti...
Svi vasi studenti se kunu i uce iz „Istorije”Konstantina Jircheka...
On je,tj.Konstantin Jirichek,objavljivao njegove radove,tj.gradje.
Prepostavljam da bi sakrio Milanovu,politicku aktivnost!Sramno,
ali je tako...
Tabanac
(DR.voseca)
2014-02-18 10:21 AM
„trag”zabluda je nešto drugo.Pokusavas da arheo-istorijom ukazes i
ukazes na „greške” ili „nesmeotrnost”,danasnje istorijske odluke!
Verujes,da ti „oni”neznaju...!?Tvoja,naivnost je zabluda!
Hvalis se poznatim...uticajnim,prijateljima.
Eto ti jedne knjige,memoranduma sa četiri sastanka da se konkretno stvori
albanske nacije.Homogenizaciji stanovnistva,promovise jedinstvo,rimo-ka-
tolickog stanovnistva sa muslimanskim klanovima,pomaganje novinarstva,
obrazovanja,stvaranje azbuke,publikacija i unificarnog knjizevnog jezika
itd...itd...zbog tada,kratkorocnog,ublazavanja pritiska Srbije i Crne
Gore a dugorocno od Rusije...

„Die Albanienpolitik Österreich-Ungarns un Italiens 1877-1908 de
Hans Dieter Schanderl”

Original je u Carskoj-kraljevskoj arhivi u Becu (HHstA),ali se vrlo
jeftino može Naci,izdanja koja su svima i svakome pristupacna,preko,
googla.

Nazalost,niko od vas je niti zna niti želi da zna o ovim cinjenicama.
Jedna Bugarka je doktorirala na temu i ovoj knjizi...
Teodora Todorova Toleva.(kada sam rekao „mandalini”Bugari su ispred
vas,zamrzela me sigurno)

Diplomski rad:
Department d`Historika Contemporania

„La influencia del Imperio Austro-Hungaro e la constuccion nacional
albanesa 1896-1908”
A Carrec de Teodora Todora Toleva

La tesi ha estat legida el 16 de setembre 2008 i drigido per
Augusti Colomines...
Zakljucak...sami,donesite...
Deretica,ostavite po strani,on je ipak filolog i teorista...

PS

Ukoliko se „tulkas”opet prosvercovao...znate moj odgovor!
Posle „A kao Andromede”,„Dragona”...
Pozdrav tebi i tvojim prijateljima!
arnautista
2014-02-18 10:56 AM
E, pa jbg, nisao to znao za Suflaja.

A i sto bi sad bio kao on? O.o
A i sto me T.man, poistovecujes sa „Dragonom”, šta sam loše uradio?

Da se nisi naljutio, sto sam ti rekao da imaš diskutabilno dobar muzicki ukus? :D

Pozdrav!!!
arnautista
2014-02-18 11:29 AM
P.S Nemo si negativan, efo ti pesma da se podmladis!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz-nhcfTfWQ
trag
(xy)
2014-02-18 02:46 PM
Hvala Tabanac za knjige. Spremam se za Srbiju, a svratila bih i u Bec na par dana, ali čim se vratim pogledacu ih detaljnije, možda procitati, teme knjiga su mi poznate.

Zvanicna istorija je stvorena na lazima i steti Srba.

http://web-tribune.com/iza-kulisa/senzacionalno-u-mocnoj-bibliji-su-recepti-za-izlecenje-svih-bolesti#

Sreć om, internet ide Srbimau prilog.

Pozdravicu prilatelje, hvala, jedva cekam da ih sve vidim, posebno obe Vesne i Kljajevica.

Arnaut, nije los pokusaj kopiranja „tulkasa”.
arnautista
2014-02-18 03:57 PM
Ja sam ljudi!
arnautista
2014-02-18 04:37 PM
T.man siso jedna!
Naso si kad ćeš da nadjes razlog da se naljutis na mene!!
Prijatelj se tako ne ponasa!!! Najpre, stopirao sam knjigu pre 20. meseci, da bi ucio i resio pitanje porekla Srba. To je veoma ozbiljna stvar, koju sam uradio verujuci na reč, coveku koga nikada nisam upoznao lično, ali, vodio sam se osecajem. Stavi se u moju kozi, da li bi ti uradio isto!? Puno sam naucio, i mogu reći da sam postao drugi covek. Pisao sam i brisao sve ovo vreme, i odlagao izdavanje sve dok nisam procenio da sam minimalno spreman. I sad imam konstantne mucnine...da li sam se zeznuo sa unetim izmenama, da li sam preterao, da li sam negde pogresio (20. meseci je po mojim merilima, premalo vremena da se ovlada materijom), konacno, da li sam upropastio koncepciju čitavog rada.

Si Draskovpotomak, ili nisi???
trag
(xy)
2014-02-19 11:42 AM
Jesi, za malo da dodjem u iskusenje i napisem ko, ali neću.

Cilj ti je da ocrnis Tulkasa, samo oni koji imaju imalo logike, a dugo su ovde, znaju ko si.
Ovo je tvoj licni, a ni malo fer, obracun sa Tabancem, i ne mesaj Tulkasa u to.

Ustvari, ti želiš da se obracunas sa obojicom.

Prvo je bio pokusaj sa nekim nikom Estazija, ili tako nešto, iza koga sam se navodno krila ja, a sad imaš 5 novih iza kojih je navodno Tulkas.
Ustvari recicu ti ko si, ista osoba koja me trazi po fejsu, mada se raspituju mnogi gde nestadoh, od kad sam tamo ugasila profil.
mandalina
(vila)
2014-02-19 06:19 PM
Ако је то нека фајда, ја зарадих гајбу вина/пива ;)
Tabanac
(DR.voseca)
2014-02-19 08:04 PM
...i vino i pivo...super!
Al ćemo se ja i „mandalina” uPijemo!

Biće,pesme...„mandalina”me je ostavila sve zbog rujnog pivaaaa!
zavarivach
2014-02-20 06:35 PM
И роштиљ ћу да распалим :))
Мандалина, које вино оно беше?
Табанац, тебе и даље чека домаћа од дивљих крушака. Оматорила је годину дана ;)) Памтим обећања и испуњавам. Ако си заборавио да те подсетим - када си поделио вест о Шезли са нама... Прошлњ године у ово време отприлике.

[email protected]

Ето адресе, па се лепо јавите.
tulkas
2014-02-20 06:50 PM
El' ima mesta za gostujuceg Dj - a?

Pozdrav!!!
tulkas
2014-02-20 07:01 PM
http://www.medievalists.net/2014/02/20/voynich-manuscript-partially-decoded-text-hoax-scholar-finds/
mandalina
(vila)
2014-02-21 04:43 PM
И роштиљ ћу да распалим :))
Мандалина, које вино оно беше?
//////////////////////////////////////

Crno, Zavarivac, crno. Gusto, malke sladunjavo, kao proshek ili „sangria”, tako nešto.
Rostilj? Mozhe, mozhe.
Nije izdrzao Tulkas ni do početka uskršnjeg posta a kamoli do Uskrsa ;)
zavarivach
2014-02-22 09:32 AM
tulkas
20. februar 2014. u 18.50

El' ima mesta za gostujuceg Dj - a?

Pozdrav!!!
---
Може, али музика само на увце.

:))
trag
(xy)
2014-02-22 03:36 PM
E moj tulkas, a ja toliko verovala u tebe, ccc...
Zato iz protesta odoh u setnju, vracam se 31.12.2014 avanture cekaju, istrazivanja po celoj Srbiji, susreti, i ko zna šta još.
Pozdrav, ostajte mi zdravo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZvltzZqVgE
tulkas
2014-02-22 06:50 PM
Znam ja da me svi zezate zato što sam najmladji ovde. :P
Ej, gde nadje Jadranku...često i puno mislim o Santicu...
Pozdrav!!!
mandalina
(vila)
2014-03-01 03:48 AM
Eto, ko sad kaže da ne postoji zavera svetskih razmera, prisutna i na serbian cafeu_Laže !
Taman sam zaradila piće, kad čujem na „Politici” da je Zavarivač banovan zbog iskrenosti.
tulkas
2014-03-01 06:37 AM
O.o
Jel' taj ban vazi za ceo SC?
Valjda uvek može novi nik.
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