ono sto vidim da se radi (možda kao „insider”) u ovdasnjem sistemu zdravstva (a i visokog skolstva) je vise nego „grim outlook”, pesimisticno. u početku sam verovao da za sve ove „fundamentalne reforme” nova vlast ima nekog „keca u rukavu” i da neće olako da prokocka ponovni dolazak na vlast posle dugog vremena. pa izgledalo je da sam pogresio, ali ipak mislim da engleska neće (još uvek) puci jer imaju nešto u njihovoj politickoj kulturi sto je za balkanske prilike skoro nezamislivo: lako se prilagodjavaju novim okolnostima i ne beze od odgovornosti. ne znam da li je ovo 100% tako, ali videcemo

Neboj se,sve dotle dok se može ratovati bit će para.
Navodno Kinezi i Rusi najviše kupuju po centru.
Sto znaci u prevodu,nama Srbima dobro se piše!!

20 miliona ljudi na nekoj vrsti socijale,1 500 000 ljudi koji nikad nije radilo dan u zivotu (kraljica i princ Carls ukljuceni).Šta ti mislis? Koliko to može da traje?

I ja radim za TFL i mislim da će tu uvek biti posla. Doduse zavisi šta radis...Vidim da su sve Underground stanice prazne, mislim nema vise zaposlenih. Salteri za prodaju karata su zatvoreni...Ja mislim na inzinjering, tu ja radim i mislim da će tu uvek biti posla. Evo sada ulazu u nove projekte, nove linije i sređuju stanice.

A Engleska nije sto je bila pre godinu dana a da ne pricamo od ranije. Ovi Torijevci su nemogući, menjaju sve kao da je i sada Tacherka na vlasti a svi kažu da je ona tada unakazila zemlju.

Kako koga, neke je stavila na noge, a većinu na socijalnu pomoć. U Velsu je ona jedna od najpopularnijih politicara ikada! Za njene vladavine izbrisala je čitav radnicki sektor zbog nesuglasica sa unijom, a svojim milionerima omogućila još mnogo miliona. Vels se još nije oporavio od njene vladavine, a sada su im dosli ovi novi Taceri, pa će im ukinuti i to malo državnog sektora sto imaju. Samo budalasti Englezi mogu da glasaju za njih, ali i to će im se obiti o glavu pre ili kasnije. Kenjali su Bleru sto je napao Irak i potrosio silne pare, a vidi sad njih, hopa-cupa 'ajmo malo na Libiju, yebi ga treba platiti silnu naftu koju su uzeli na kredit od Gadafija. Lakse je sravniti zemlju, pa sa novom vlasti izravnati racune i izgraditi zemlju ponovo, pa je iskoristavati dugi niz godina dok nova vlast ne skonta da je stara vlast bila u pravu. Nešto slično se desava i sa našim budalasima, trenutno pokusavaju da ozive Tita, a za 20 godina će traziti novog Slobu i tako u krug.

Inače, evo plana konzervativaca iz 1978;

The Economist May 27, 1978 Pages 21-23

Appomattox or civil war?

A copy of the final report of the Conservative party’s policy group on the nationalised industries has reached The Economist. It has been drafted by the radical right-wing MP Nicholas Ridley, and. is likely to cause a humdinger pf a row. Its main points:

(1) The Conservatives intend to demand that each nationalised industry achieve a. set rate of return on (variously defined) „capital employed”. This rate of return, once laid down, would be „totally inflexible”. If managers did not achieve it they would be replaced. They would, however be supported in whatever action they had to take to achieve it even if this „might mean that men would be laid off, or uneconomic plants would be closed down, or whole businesses sold off or liquidated”. The report sees no other way to restore financial responsibility. „Nevertheless”, it adds, „there is no point in undertaking it if we are not prepared to go through with it.”

(2) After issuing this call to battle, the document then prepares the way for what could be constant, surrenders at Appomattox. Uneconomic activities would be costed and separately paid for by subsidy on the vote of the minister who felt they had to continue.

(3) Investment control by government would continue through five-year rolling corporate plans with a government commitment to a decreasing proportion of the investment, as fo1lows: year one, 100%; year two, 90%; year three, 75%; and year four, 50%. The industries should be required to borrow from the exchequer at market rates of interest. Investment control should be used to restrict industries to their mainline activity. The report believes the corporations should not compete with private industry, but also that it is not worth fighting a major political battle to oblige them to divest themselves of current „extra-mural activities” (eg, electricity and gas showrooms).

(4) No direct government control of prices or wages in nationalised industries. The only control would be by insisting on the rate of return on capital being met, even if this involved the industry concerned raising prices, or selling off surplus land or assets or closing uneconomic activities. The concept of wage comparability is rejected: the criteria for wage payments should the manpower situation in the industry and the vulnerability of the nation to a strike.

(5) In choosing which strikes to fight, the team has classified industries into three categories of vulnerability with: (a) sewerage, water, electricity, gas and the health service in the most vulnerable group; (b) railways, docks, coal and dust men in an intermediate group; and (c) other public transport, education, ports and telephones, air transport and steel in the least vulnerable group. It rejects the proposal to make strikes illegal in industries where they are not illegal, and also any idea of having a strikebreaking corps of volunteers to run mines, trains or power stations. Where industries „have the nation by the jugular vein the only feasible option is to pay up”.

(6) Managers should be much better paid than at present, and ministers should no longer usurp the day-to-day responsibility of management by replying to parliamentary questions on such matters.

(7) The present boards of nationalised industries would be made supervisory boards with most members part-time. The full-time management should be devolved into smaller subsidiary companies into which the industries should be split. The holding boards would have power to hire and fire management and to fix pay. There could be worker directors on nationalized industry boards, provided these were an insignificant minority. Pay of successful top managers would be supplemented by public honours.

(8) The only legislation that the Ridley report proposes (and itself refers to as „a nasty little bill”) would be an end to statutory monopolies in the public sector. This bill would: (a) transfer licensing of private mines from the National Coal Board to the minister and restrict conditions of licence to safety considerations only. Coal royalties would be transferred from the NCB to the state; (b) give private generators of e1ectricity the right to sell to the grid; (c) split letter-post from telecommunications and end the telephone monopoly at the subscribers „front door”; (d) remove ministers power to stop private-sector investment in steel plant.

(9) The group considered the scope for denationalisation. It believed that it would be easier, and more permanent, to fragment the industries rather than try to sell off whole corporations. It concluded that there was least opportunity for this in the „true utilities” (gas, electricity, railways, water, ports and telephones). The greatest opportunities are in coal, shipbuilding, docks, airports, motor car manufacturing, buses and freight. Specific proposals: (a) form worker co-operatives at coal pits wherever possible; (b) separate ports, and either sell them off or make them into worker co-ops; (c) make each airport independent and either sell it or hand it over to local authorities; (d) the assets of the British National Oil Corporation should be sold, preferab1y to the public at a 50% discount on value with a maximum holding prescribed for any individual.

So, far this report has not been to the shadow cabinet. But it has been discussed by the powerful economic reconstruction group under Sir Geoffrey. Howe and is now before a group under Sir Keith Joseph, the Tory industry spokesman and general policy overlord. Its general thinking seems to be accepted, but its detailed proposals are likely to be modified. They will be reflected in the Tory manifesto only in the most general terms.

In an annex to this report, Mr Ridley and some of his co-authors have been pondering how to counter any „political threat” from those they regard as „the enemies of the next Tory government”. They believe that in the first or second year after the Tories’ election, there might be a major challenge from a trade union either over a wage claim or over redundancies. They fear it may occur in a „vulnerable industry” such as coa1, electricity or the docks and have the support of „the full, force of communist disrupters”. Behind the scenes, they wou1d like a five-part strategy for countering this threat:

• Return on capta1 figures should be rigged so that an above-average wage claim can be paid to the „vulnerable” industries.

• The eventual battle should be on ground chosen by the Tories, in a field they think could be won (railways, British Leyland, the civil service or steel).

• Every precaution should be taken against a challenge in electricity or gas. Anyway, redundancies in those industries are unlikely to be required. The group believes that the most likely battleground will be the coal industry. They would like a Thatcher government to: (a) build up maximum coa1 stocks, particularly at the power stations; (b) make contingency plans for the import of coal; (c) encourage the recruitment of non-union lorry drivers by haulage companies to help move coal where necessary; (d) introduce dual coal/oil firing in all power stations as quickly as possible.

• The group believes that the greatest deterrent to any strike would be „to cut off the money supply to the strikers, and make the union finance them”. But strikers in nationalized industries should not be treated differently from strikers in other industries.

• There should be a 1arge, mobile squad of police equipped and prepared to uphold the law against violent picketing. „Good non-union drivers” should be recruited to cross picket lines with police protection.

P.S. Meni je najsmesnije kada čujem naše ljude kako se hvale da su glasali za konzervativce zato što im je dosta ovih stranaca! :-)))))

To mi ulazi u top 5 provala za zivota! :-))))

Ma svi smo mi imali mnoge krize u zivotu ali imam utisak da će ovo sa Konzervativcima da potraje. Ja nisam njihov simpatizer i to nekrijem. Samo kukaju kako su ''oni'' predhodni sve unistili a oni jadni sada to ne mogu da isprave.
Već sam to prošlo u svojoj zemlji vise puta.Sir_Rory a gde je to bilo 90 ih kada je bila kriza? Ovde ili na našim prostorima?
Što se hrane tiče, mesa specijalno, ono je ovde uvek jeftinije nego u srbiji recimo. Ovde je sva vrsta hrane jeftinija i uvek se ima pojesti ali ne sastoji se zivot samo u tome. Vazano je imati posao i ja razumem postavljacicu teme jer niko više nije siguran.
I na kraju, mene interesuje, ko to brise ovo sto pišemo. I gde je taj gospodin? Netrba pisati svasta ali valjda imamo pravo na lično izrazavanje. Ili ne?

Ovde je sva vrsta hrane jeftinija i uvek se ima pojesti ali ne sastoji se zivot samo u tome.
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U Engleskoj imaš jeftino meso sumnjivog kvaliteta i sastojaka,meso ko zna cime hranjeno i to je za siroke narodne mase. Imaš i ono bolje za probrane sa dubokim dzepovima.
Dakle, ako hoćeš fino da jedes hrana u engleskoj je izuzetno skupa.

Da li im taj deficit daje za pravo da prave iste greške kao i njihovi prethodnici? Da li im daje za pravo da ukidaju neke tablete za starije od 65? Da li im to daje za pravo da ukidaju budzete za decu?

Koliko mene pamcenje sluzi laburisti nisu radili takve stvari, a u gradu u kojem živim, u poslednjih 15 godina(dok su laburisti bili na vlasti) otvorena je nova zeleznicka stanica, centar grada je kompletno srusen i izgradjen novi, otvorena su 2 nova trzna centra, izgradjen je novi bazen za potrebe olimpijade, koledz se poceo graditi, ali kako vidim radovi su prestali da napreduju u poslednjih godinu dana.

Od kada su konzervativci preuzeli vlast, vise ni smece ne voze svake nedelje, nego svake druge nedelje, pa čim malo sunce grane odma' ti se smrkne kad krocis na ulicu. Da ne spominjem koliko je ljudi ostalo bez posla, al' 'ajde krivicemo „svestku krizu” za to.

Vozim jutros auto na popravku u garazu i dok sam cekao da mi daju druga kola, gledam na TV nekog kurtona iz zdravstva kako najavljuje da trebaju da ustede neke silne milijarde u narednim godinama. Reko' covek se zayebava, pa zar nije dovoljno sto za svaku prehladu te salju kuci i govore da je virus, ne bi li slučajno morali dati antibiotik! Hajde sto mene salje, al' kad mi kaže za dete da je virus, a pri tom ni krvnu sliku ne naprave ne bi li se utvrdilo da li je virus ili bakterija, onda rogove dobijem! Imaju da rokaju po Libiji, a za antibiotik nemaju!

Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooj

Klintoneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

(Miki Manojlovic iz filma „Rane”)

:-)

JV

U Engleskoj imaš jeftino meso sumnjivog kvaliteta i sastojaka,meso ko zna cime hranjeno i to je za siroke narodne mase. Imaš i ono bolje za probrane sa dubokim dzepovima.
Dakle, ako hoćeš fino da jedes hrana u engleskoj je izuzetno skupa.

Pogledaj dom svoj andjele!

http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/charlene-downes-pimped-raped-murdered.html

Mileva, bas interesantno sto si to spomenula, i ja imam sličan osecaj. Ovde sam 12 godina i primetim da se čak i u tako malo vremena dosta toga promenilo na gore.

Obrazovanje je postalo neverovatno skupo i lakse se prolazi na ispitima(pritisak na profane); zdravstvo im je postalo još losije sa još manje državne financijske podrske; omladina im je otisla dodjavola - totalno se raspustila jer su mnogima roditelji ostali baz poslova; diplomci su otisli dodjavola jer ne mogu da nadju posao u struci pa rade u call centrima a nabili razne studentske dugove; pa onda tu su islamisti koji uzburkavaju mrznju engleske radnicke klase prema svim imigrantima; cene osnovnih potrepstina su skocile a plate su zamrznute u velikom broju kompanija i ustanova; banke i dalje ne daju povoljne kredite za nekretnine i uzimaju ogromne svote kao depozit...itd.

To su samo neki od problema koji se ovde vide iz dana u dan i koji izgleda neće skoro krenuti na bolje.

Znaci, nije bas sjajno ali i dalje mislim da je bolje nego otici nazad u Srbiju. Razlog: jer u Britaniji i dalje ima daleko vise prilika za poslove nego u Srbiji...

puca engleska...ali po gadafiju